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    The non-factor remark was in context of what's applicable to a majority. With item loss, feels over-shadow the greater good. Yes there are multiple opinions, of which your side I see as being based on feels.

    The in-out numbers we're currently seeing I'd argue is because of the economy that no one is willing to budge on.

    I'd say the one reason we are where we are today is Dalton's inability to have both money and interest. (little known fact, that "accidental" reset was unwanted economy control & the server grew after)

    This may sound cold but your disability is another reason your personal experience doesn't apply to a majority. I assume this to be deep rooted and me saying this hollow, but you shouldn't feel like you do. You login to play for your entertainment, if people get angry because you're not tick efficient then that's kinda of tough shit. I understand you'd prefer to not have reasons for people to not include you but if this is their reasoning, they're probably ass-holes. People take me bossing and I suck hehe.

    This whole argument seems redundant now anyways, I think the solutions mentioned by people here are better than mine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    The non-factor remark was in context of what's applicable to a majority. With item loss, feels over-shadow the greater good. Yes there are multiple opinions, of which your side I see as being based on feels.

    The in-out numbers we're currently seeing I'd argue is because of the economy that no one is willing to budge on.

    I'd say the one reason we are where we are today is Dalton's inability to have both money and interest. (little known fact, that "accidental" reset was unwanted economy control & the server grew after)

    This may sound cold but your disability is another reason your personal experience doesn't apply to a majority. I assume this to be deep rooted and me saying this hollow, but you shouldn't feel like you do. You login to play for your entertainment, if people get angry because you're not tick efficient then that's kinda of tough shit. I understand you'd prefer to not have reasons for people to not include you but if this is their reasoning, they're probably ass-holes. People take me bossing and I suck hehe.

    This whole argument seems redundant now anyways, I think the solutions mentioned by people here are better than mine.
    You should quote who your talking to.
    Remove this post if you've done so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Oi Lollipop View Post
    You should quote who your talking to.
    Remove this post if you've done so.
    If anyone can't link the conversation then they can feel free to assume I'm talking to them and be confused about the whole situation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    If anyone can't link the conversation then they can feel free to assume I'm talking to them and be confused about the whole situation.
    lol
    delete my post and this 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    The non-factor remark was in context of what's applicable to a majority. With item loss, feels over-shadow the greater good. Yes there are multiple opinions, of which your side I see as being based on feels.

    ***Its all feels. Its all projections. Its also talking to numerous players on a regular basis both ingame and thru discord, skype, phone etc. The greater good you tout isnt proven black and white absolute it again is just what you feel will happen, there is no crystal ball. You said boring, an emotional response, to how you feel about more bossing for instance. Saying that my arguments are simply emotionally/feeling based is only partially correct.***

    The in-out numbers we're currently seeing I'd argue is because of the economy that no one is willing to budge on.

    I'd say the one reason we are where we are today is Dalton's inability to have both money and interest. (little known fact, that "accidental" reset was unwanted economy control & the server grew after)

    This may sound cold but your disability is another reason your personal experience doesn't apply to a majority. I assume this to be deep rooted and me saying this hollow, but you shouldn't feel like you do. You login to play for your entertainment, if people get angry because you're not tick efficient then that's kinda of tough shit. I understand you'd prefer to not have reasons for people to not include you but if this is their reasoning, they're probably ass-holes. People take me bossing and I suck hehe.

    *** It was simply a for instance . Everyone has their story, their issues, and those issues will effect their game playing and be part of the reason they will either continue to play or not. I dont mind putting my reasonings out there for judgement, and yes I am just one person, in a vast majority, who doesnt have to play, vote, spend money or whatever but chooses to because I enjoy it. I do the game options that dont hurt me as much physically and skip the game options that are more painful or impossible for me to do . Even if they dont say a word it easily discerned to even myself how inept I am, especially watching those flawless players. I work hard and longer to get what I have and as far as assholes, meh, not really, just efficient and ocd maybe a better term for alot of players. Most are beyond kind despite my ineptness. I surely can go back to other games that are easier but I love the players here first and foremost and thats not something I want to do but may very well have to for the betterment if what you say is true.****

    This whole argument seems redundant now anyways, I think the solutions mentioned by people here are better than mine.
    Yeah I am kinda done too.

    For those reading this and those who have contacted me privately that think I am upset, mad, or anything other than professional be aware that Frank and I, in my eyes, are golden. This was a civilized discussion Everything is fine between us and AS FAR AS I KNOW other staff as well. Be glad this public tete a tete didnt occur between other more colorfully speaking staff and myself :P. As always be kind slay well beautiful battlescape people



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ollie V1 View Post
    Reasons many old players left Battlescape is the increase of new players who are skillers/PvMer's - Pking diminished from what I can see lol BS was known mainly due to the Pking community and old RS players who wanted to relive 07 back when BS was open in 2008-2010. Obviously times change so nothing can be done but it is what it is.
    Ha, pkers.. the least loyal player base that want everything to revolve around them, until a different server comes out.

    Quote Originally Posted by no1sangel View Post
    Yeah I am kinda done too.

    For those reading this and those who have contacted me privately that think I am upset, mad, or anything other than professional be aware that Frank and I, in my eyes, are golden. This was a civilized discussion Everything is fine between us and AS FAR AS I KNOW other staff as well. Be glad this public tete a tete didnt occur between other more colorfully speaking staff and myself :P. As always be kind slay well beautiful battlescape people
    People messaged you asking if you was ok? millennials? I think it was pretty civil.. and you argued well pointing out where I was hypocritical via opinion. I'd of preferred some statistics to argue from but we've never had access to that player data. I feel I'd of argued my case better from that.

    Ok next argument: Full server reset
























































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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    Ha, pkers.. the least loyal player base that want everything to revolve around them, until a different server comes out.
    How’s the player base doing with majority Skillers/PvMers compared to other servers? looks pretty dead to me compared to the top RSPS servers communities, I don’t want to slate BS because I’ve been there since day one but something is going wrong, that’s just from a quick browse at top 3 servers communities activity. Battlescape was a lot more popular back in the day because of the pkers...and we made a great community. A lot of clan tension at times but it was a community still haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ollie V1 View Post
    How’s the player base doing with majority Skillers/PvMers compared to other servers? looks pretty dead to me compared to the top RSPS servers communities, I don’t want to slate BS because I’ve been there since day one but something is going wrong, that’s just from a quick browse at top 3 servers communities activity. Battlescape was a lot more popular back in the day because of the pkers...and we made a great community. A lot of clan tension at times but it was a community still haha.
    When ever all updates are pk based, which has happened many times, pkers don't join. All that happens is the loyal playerbase gets ignored. You trying to say we should forcefully remove non pkers?

    Pker's aren't put off by our setup. They know the owner, they've been through the history. Not something that you overcome with a pk update..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    When ever all updates are pk based, which has happened many times, pkers don't join. All that happens is the loyal playerbase gets ignored. You trying to say we should forcefully remove non pkers?

    Pker's aren't put off by our setup. They know the owner, they've been through the history. Not something that you overcome with a pk update..
    If there wasn't huge bugs in combat after almost every update that is done, then there probably would be more pkers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    When ever all updates are pk based, which has happened many times, pkers don't join. All that happens is the loyal playerbase gets ignored. You trying to say we should forcefully remove non pkers?

    Pker's aren't put off by our setup. They know the owner, they've been through the history. Not something that you overcome with a pk update..
    When did I ever say to remove PVMers and ignore them? Look at my reply to no1s angel again...I explain. You just seem to be putting pkers into one and thinking they are all the same. You are segregating a type of player...I have not done this at all, I explained with a big playerbase is the only way a pk/pvm server will work.

    I agree that combat also has to be perfected for pkers to join too. But seriously pk servers are more popular then pvm orientated. (This is fact and I am not suggesting to remove pvmers because BS in 2008-2010 was both pk/pvm)
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